why did george bush have a massive experiment in getting rich people back their money only to see the economy falling apart. you're not winning on those issues, oath either, john. >> joan, you're so right. you are better on this than i am normally. equal pay for equal women. your party has been slow on that. >> i agree. i'm following our party. those are the changes that we should be making. here's what the real difference between the two parties in my opinion are. >> okay. >> the republican party has always said we're going to make sure you have opportunity that leads to unlimited success but not guaranteed success. that was the american dream. we've given that up because people say it's not attainable anymore and the democrats are selling we will give you guaranteed success but it's going to be very limited. >> who says that? >> no one guarantees success. >> find -- >> it's the governmental -- >> john, i don't know any democrat who talks like that. >> there's no no one who wants to guarantee success. >> i've never heard that anywhere. >> no, it's all about equal opportunity. we are about gu